Seymour Gris: Capitalist propaganda, the Wall and you



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Berlin Wall

When I visited Berlin a couple of times, what shocked me was not the issue of the wall which had just come down. It was the evidence of the bombing and ensuing battle of Berlin. Evidence of the battle was everywhere, more than half a century after the war. But even more striking was a certain character that residents of Berlin had. They were very open to discussing issues of history and politics with this stranger from Ohio. I hope to return for another visit and see the physical change that must have taken place in the decade since my last visit. But I don't think any people in any other city on the globe have the character that Berliners do. I applaud them all. I would live to be able to be a teacher in Berlin. Any schools hiring?

James Michael more than 10 years ago


Change your brunch partners.

davina more than 10 years ago

What have you read to justify saying that the Berlin Wall prevented WWIII?

@ Context,

In terms of showing a basic grasp of 20th century history your statement is on a par with the apocryphal, "Why did Hitler build the wall" question, that tour guides say they are asked. God help us if you ever, ever get to make decisions for other people based on your understanding of how the world works!

Just read this for starters

And at least think about thinking before you make statements that you have no hope of defending.

Oi Gris!

Why did you allow that comment, anyway? Shouldn't stupidity bar some people from free comment?

dalry_scum more than 10 years ago


Are you the nephew of Honecker or something? Or just his spiritual heir?

Maurice T Frank more than 10 years ago

yeah, right

"It prevented a world war". Yeah, right.

Just like Pinochet prevented Allende to turn Chile into a Communist dictatorship. Just like Bush prevented Iraq from acquiring atomic bombs. Just like Enola Gay stopped the Second World War.

They arrested a whole country preemptively, not to acquire and keep total power over the population - of course - but to *protect them* from a Third World War. Oh thank you, Herr Ulbricht.

This is a common fallacy that politicians use to justify some shit they've done: they come up with a bigger threat, with a worse scenario, and then use propaganda to convince you that they are your heroes.

F.Bastiat more than 10 years ago


I have only heard this argument (on a serious level) in the past four months. How? I'm not trying to argue. I just don't understand how mauering in your own people stopped anybody from nuking anyone. I just literally don't understand, maybe I am dumb

Jacinta more than 10 years ago

The Berlin Wall was a good thing.

It prevented the Cold War from becoming a hot one. Better to live behind a wall than to be obliterated by nuclear bombs.

Context more than 10 years ago

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